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223369_10150159900262133_649352132_7048080_1884400_n_medium kiddiee 10 posts


Hi there,


I've been reading your posts a lot these days, thank you all for sharing your experience from an ESL teacher's angle, it helps me to understand what an ESL teacher really need .


I'm native Chinese, have lived in London for 10 years, and I was running a Mandarin School there, providing Chinese courses to individuals and companies such as AIG, UBS, Accenture... Now I am running an English training school called “REA International Language Academy” here in my hometown Changsha, Hunan province, with teachers from US, UK, Canada, we've been providing all levels English courses to local students/companies for over 2 years now, and I would like to share some info that an ESL teacher might need to know with all of you.


1.Degree and TEFL TESOL certificate


Yes, you need both of them; by law these are the requirements for any foreign ESL teachers to obtain the legal Work Permit and Residence Permit (Z visa). Some school may say is okay even if you don't have a TEFL cert, as far as I know, this is required by the State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs (SAFEA) to issue you a Foreign Expert Certificate, I guess those who got the Foreign Expert Certificate without a TEFL or TESOL certificate must had been provided a fake one to be submitted to the SAFEA, I'm not saying this is totally wrong, but I would like to kindly remind you: beware! this is not totally legal.


2.Work Permit (Z visa)


There are different types of visas, say, L/F/Z... L visa is a tourist visa, allows you to stay in China for maximum 90 days, you could get it renewed afterwards, but then you will need to leave the country once every 30 days, and L visa holders can not work in China LEGALLY; F visa is for foreign business men, you might get a year's visa allowing you to stay in China, but again, you will not be allowed to be employed by any schools to work as an ESL teacher; Z visa is the legal one for you to work as an ESL teacher here.


Not all schools or companies here are able to get you a Z visa; they must be authorized by State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs (SAFEA) and have the license to employ foreigners, which means the school has been opened for at least one year, and met all the requirements to get the license. I’ve seen some foreign teachers working here with F visa, which is provided by the school they are working for, I can guarantee that those schools are not authorized by SAFEA, in other words, you can’t get any supports or protections from Chinese authorities if you happened to have an issue with your employer, say, late payment from employer, the worst thing could be DEPORTED, if any other competitors report you or your school to the local police or other government authorities. I’ve seen this happened before, due to competition between schools, and I’ve even seen some evil foreign teachers trying to report other foreign teachers…


3. Contract


Normally, You will be required to sign two different contracts, one is provided by your school, lists all the details including working hours/holidays/salary/rules… and the other one is provided by the SAFEA (the government one, very simple, which is more like an agreement or proposal, no details listed) you need this one for your visa application.


Working hours may vary, for example, the maximum teaching hours per week for our foreign teachers in my school is 24 hours, 5 days a week, paid holidays for all public holidays (includes X’mas), other schools may offer 18 hours a week, 6 days a week, etc. There is no SET working hours for all schools, you will need to read the contract carefully.


Probation period might be listed in the contract, especially for those who are new to China, by Chinese law, the maximum probation period is 6 months, don't worry about this, unless you always late for work, being rude or arrogant like a racist during the class… I would say most foreign teachers are treated extremely nice here in China, cos in Chinese culture, we have an idiom saying, That friends should come to one from afar, is this not after all delightful?”


There are too many issues in regards to contract details that I may not able to list them all here, feel free to ask me any further information, I will try my best to answer your questions based on my experience.


4. Z Visa process


1st, The school will send your passport copy, degree copy, TEFL copy, Resume/C.V, 2 reference letters, health report, passport size photo to the SAFEA (mostly to the provincial branch) online or in person (different province varies)


2nd, After all the above documents have been approved by the SAFEA, they will issue an invitation letter and working permit for you, in the invitation letter says which Commissioner’s Office of the Foreign Ministry (COFM) of the P.R.C you will be attending to apply for your visa (your home country or Hong Kong). You will also get an original copy of formal contract of employment printed by the SAFEA


3rd, Ask the school to provide you a copy of the company Business License, a copy of the company Enterprise Code License, a copy of the Employment of Foreign Expert License, take these documents along with those other documents mentioned above to the COFM.


 


4th, It takes 1-5 working days for the visa application process once you submitted it, but this is not the final stage. On your arrival in China, you need to register with the local police station asap for a temporary residence permit, then take a full physical exam at local Provincial Entry-Exit Inspection and Quarantine Bureau, you may also need to buy a special life insurance for foreign experts followed by the local Provincial Foreign Expert Bureau’s instruction, then you will get the Foreign Expert Certificate booklet. At last, bring all these documents with you and go to the local Provincial Exit-entry administration of Public Security Bureau, after this you will get the final Z visa and residence permit.


 


5. Salary


 


Different cities have different standards, if you are hunting a teaching job in big cities like Beijing or Shanghai, I would say 8000RMB per month is the minimum wage, considering the high living expenses. Smaller cities, such as my city, Changsha, the capital city of Hunan Province (population of 7 million, yes, a ‘SMALLER’ city), the average monthly salary for ordinary Chinese people is under 2000RMB, and 5000-8000RMB for a foreign ESL teacher.


 


Money is not the biggest issue for most ESL teachers here in China, you will earn at least 3 times than the local average Chinese, in addition, most schools provide FREE accommodation, your living standard is gonna be like those who earns two or three grand a month in the UK since the living expense is rather cheap here.


 


6. Travel


 


China is HUGE, use your imagine:) you may explore all sorts of places and cultures. Maybe we should open up another thread to discuss this topic...


 


Traveling by train is rather cheap for the salary you can make here, flight tickets are cheap too if you can manage to book it online in advance. Hong Kong is the place for you to connect other countries in Asia, say, Thailand, Malaysia, India, Singapore… There are 3 main holidays within a year: Chinese New Year, May Day and National Day in October, you will have 3-7 days off in a row. The only thing I want to remind you is that you’ll have to inform your employer if you are going aboard for holidays, this is required by Chinese law.


 


 


Thanks for reading this post, I hope this can give you a general idea about working in China as an ESL teacher, please do not hesitate to contact me if I can provide any further information, I look forward to hearing from you, and wish you all the very best!


 


 


 
Me_9_medium arun123 2 posts

Thanks..This was very informative..I have been trying to analyse the ground realities of teaching (and travelling) in China, before I make a decision to pursue a TEFL career.


Regards


Arun

 
Rsz_dsc00948_medium FilterAngel 103 posts

It's nice to see someone finally backing up what I say about degrees in china. No, strictly speaking you don't need one, but these days they are getting way more up-tight about it!


I to I seem to throw around the idea that you definitely don't need one a little too loosely sometimes I think.

 
1_medium applec228 2 posts

Thank you so much! 


im a hong Kong born kiwi, and is wondering will it be hard for me to find a teaching job in china as I don't look foreign. and I will be doing a four week intensive tefl course in Hangzhou in november.  fingerscrossed that I can find a job in shanghai after! you're info was so helpful


thanks alot!

 
223369_10150159900262133_649352132_7048080_1884400_n_medium kiddiee 10 posts

arun123 you won't regret:)

 
223369_10150159900262133_649352132_7048080_1884400_n_medium kiddiee 10 posts

FilterAngel all my teachers here have degrees, just because this is required by Chinese law, and the law protects both parties, the teacher and the school:)

 
223369_10150159900262133_649352132_7048080_1884400_n_medium kiddiee 10 posts

applec228 all that glitters is not gold... you will find your way

 
So_serious_medium RNFloyd 1 post

Hello!  My name is Randy.  i am new to this group.  I was reading that fro some countries you actually need a notarized/apostille copy of your degree and TEFL certificate . . .   is this necessary for China?  Getting notarization and an Apostille is rather expensive, time-consuming, and difficult!  Any input would be very helpful.  Thanks!


 

 
Icon_missing_medium colsonb2011 1 post

As of perhaps a month ago, today is 2/5/2012 China now requires a BA for a Z visa. Good thing I already have a BA.  I've just signed a contract with a private school in China and didn't not have to get anything notarized. I'm flying out in about 3 weeks from the US. I sent the school my I to I tefl certificate, and BA and had a very comfortable skype interview. Wish me luck!

 
In_the_train_to_stansted_airport_medium lenabzh 1 post

Hello, feeling concerned about not having a degree. I have started my TEFL course and would like to head to China in September. Will I be able to teach there? 

 
Icon_missing_medium mmfazel 4 posts

Hey.. 


 


Thanks for taking the time to share the information. 


 


I am not a national of 'english speaking countries'. Will it be difficult getting a job in China even though I have been schooled in English. 


Thanks in advance. 


 


 

 
Laos_buddha_medium d3lta69 3 posts

That's really helpful.. sounds very similar to the Thailand way of doing things too

 
Celtic_manor_164_-_copy_-_copy_medium pienie 5 posts

mmfazel: Hi I am Dutch and thus not a national from an English speaking country, I have worked in Childcare for over 10 years in the UK am doing a degree as we speak (last module) I am working in China!! My experience opened the doors for me. I know that all provinces in China work differently but there is hope so don't give up. Good luck

 
Icon_missing_medium ciarak121 3 posts

Hi


 


I am thinking of going teaching in Chiana in Taiyuan. I was wondering if anyone could offer me advice? Im a bit scared going by myself all the way to China...but excited.


 


Hope to hear from you soon


 


Ciara

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